Amy Douglas | From Betrayal and Loss To Manifesting Joy

How much betrayal and loss can the heart take within less than two years?

Today's guest shares how betrayal, loss, unsurmountable grief, and a decline in health catalyzed her personal growth.

Amy chose to empower herself by getting a life coach and learning new tools that enabled her to recalibrate her life and move forward beyond the hurt, pain, and emotional hurricane she felt stuck in for too long.

In this episode, we dabble into Amy's experience with Human Design, what she's learned about herself, and how Human Design became the permission slip to radically change things, including leaving her corporate job.

We have all experienced something that challenges our beliefs and who we thought others were. We may question who we are and our role in the mess, and often, fear and expectations play a role and serve a purpose in making sense of our experiences.

Listen to today's episode to hear Amy's perspective on fear, how learning her Human Design helped her change her approach and point of view of expectations, and so much more! 

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Transcript

Victoria Volk: Thank you for tuning in to grieving voices. I'm so excited for this episode because I'm talking with Amy Douglas. She is a human design reader. And I have been working with her as her client. But today's episode is about her sharing her grief journey in what she's learned through human design about herself and her grief. And I'm just really excited to bring this knowledge to the podcast because, like, one of my favorite quotes is the more you know yourself, the less you look to others to tell you who you are. And so human design is just another tool in the toolbox to help you to better understand yourself. And so Amy, thank you so much for being here and sharing about your journey today and thank you for your time.

Amy Douglas: Well, thank you for inviting me. I'm thrilled to be here. I'm excited for our conversation. Grief is not something that we all love to touch on but reflecting on it and empowering ourselves to move through it's such a critical part of our own evolution and definitely human design. I feel like in my journey with human design. If I were to say, you know, that I have felt grief by learning my design, it was the grief of not allowing myself to be what I chose for myself for so many years. And the grief of thinking or feeling that those ways that I chose for myself and my design were wrong because they're not it's just sad, we're so full of not enoughness and design hasn't powered me to release a lot of that, not enoughness, offer some deep compassion and understanding for myself and others. I love your quote. It's so true. I see so many people looking to others for the answers, the right ways to do things, and they're all within us. We just really get to take the time, to sit with ourselves, to uncover that.

Victoria Volk: People might not be familiar with human design can you just briefly cover what that is? And also too, like, we are both manifestors design, which is only like nine percent of the population and often the most misunderstood. So imagine the grief that that has caused us in our lives alone.

Amy Douglas: So true in being female manifestors. Right? Like, there's there's so many layers to it. So human design is, another one of those architectural ways to help us discern, kind of who we are. But there are a lot of different modalities that were brought in together, but I want you to just if you hear nothing else, it's basically the blueprint or the owner's manual, operators manual, that you chose for yourself to tell you how you are meant to be existing in this three-d experience. And who knew? We had an owner's manual that told us so many ways like how we're meant to make decisions, and how we process fear, and how we're meant to digest food and life there's, I mean, down to so many things that it really just offers you the opportunity to say, oh, this is what I chose for myself. Very much to your point instead of looking to others to help point us in it, quote unquote, right direction.

Victoria Volk: And I imagine like me who's just now starting to get down the human design rabbit hole again after I dabbled in it maybe a year ago and just coming back to it now. But or human design, how did you navigate life without this manual? And what was your life experience before coming into human design?

Amy Douglas: So, I think I'm probably not different than many. We use our eyes and ears. To show us what is the path that we're meant to take. And so whether that is witnessing it from loved ones, having someone tell you how to be and how to show up. I had a lot of that in my household. I'm the youngest of three girls. There was a lot of like this, be like this, don't say that, don't do that, don't be too much, did it at, like, not necessarily the Barbie monologue, but you could probably put some words to that as well. And so I was trying to run at a pace in my life that I had witnessed was the way like, there was a lot of pride and applause for being really busy doing a lot of things and not like being quote unquote lazy there. That was a really that l word was really kind of ingrained into our household. We were not gonna tolerate laziness Well, can we redefine what lazy is? Because like, I mean, we all have the opportunity to sit and be with who we are. 

Amy Douglas: I think a big pivotal change for me that led to a lot of grief in my life in twenty fourteen. I had a lot of loss in my family. I lost my dad in April. He was only sixty seven and had been battling a lot of hard stuff for nine years. So, we kind of said he had nine lives. And the last one was the taker. And then shortly after that, my mom became very ill. A lot of it was grief. Let's be honest. They've been together their whole life. She ended up spending the entire summer in the hospital almost lost her a couple times. She had severe ulcerative colitis and thankfully, she's got it at bay, but it was really challenging to negotiate and navigate her being in the hospital after losing dad. And her grieving in the hospital, in a hospital bed was traumatic. And then not no sooner did we get her home and my brother-in-law dropped dead in the shower. I mean, my mom and my sister within four months becoming widows together, it just was insurmountable. And yet I was kind of the rock in the family. Like, we're all gonna be fine. I'll help take care of everything. And that's kind of what I did. I never really let myself feel anything. And honestly, to be real just completely transparent, I kinda like shut off my heart after my divorce about five years before that. I kinda just said, alright, my husband of seventeen years been together twenty, father both of my children left with my best friend. I don't know where to process that, so I won't I'm just gonna put on the happy face and exist. Run at the pace that I know will have me running away from any of those feelings. And then fast forward losing, so many family members and just a lot of grief with that. 

Amy Douglas: And then in twenty fifteen, my dog who'd got me through my divorce and was only four years old, was diagnosed with lymphoma, and I'm like, oh, hell no, that's the one person in that note has seen witnessed everything, one person, one thing that had witnessed everything. And so then, you know, whenever I lost him toward the end of fifteen. I was like, what the hell am I doing? And sixteen just really started a deep journey of just my own self discovery and just a lot of letting go of ways of thinking that I had to be. Really giving myself the opportunity to be very curious what I was feeling in my life. Started my journey. I hired a coach. I didn't I mean, from the Midwest. We didn't know what those words but my good friend, Google said that's what you need sunshine if you're gonna pull out of this. And so I hired a coach out of the West Coast and I was still a very much a trust bit verify kind of person. So it felt only right for me to get the education myself didn't tell Seoul, did everything under the radar. I wasn't allowed to moonlight in my corporate life that I was still running a ridiculous pace at. And I empowered myself through lots and lots of deconditioning, lots of letting go, which is the practice that you use in the coaching modalities and just the healing spaces of the world. In twenty nineteen, the beginning of twenty nineteen, I quit my corporate life. And that's the year that design brought itself into my experience. And I was like, okay, I know now that I'm ready for you, but I had to do for myself a lot of the layers of letting go and, you know, getting curious versus and dropping judgment and letting myself feel things again for the first time. I hadn't done that. I really shut that part of me off. And design came when it was meant to, and I think it does for many. I resisted it first I was like, oh my god. Just another thing to tell me, whatever. But it wasn't a questionnaire. I wasn't answering questions, I know how to manipulate those to get the letters I want or the data that I want. This is very specific information about your birth details. So you can't really fake those. And it just led to just a really beautiful way of me embodying and trusting myself and believing in myself and allowing me to be unapologetically me, which is what I said I was gonna do when I left my corporate life and I think human design was the open permissions slip to do that for me.

Victoria Volk: Was there a certain moment? Do you remember where you were? What you were doing? Like this was there like this aha moment or was this was there a certain thing? Or thought or experience. Because sometimes we have these pivotal moments, right, that just change the trajectory of our life. Like, because I know so many people who might be in the corporate hamster wheel, who are scared to leave that behind, who desire to venture onto something that is a more authentic expression of who they are. What do you say to those people? How did you do that?

Amy Douglas: In July of twenty eighteen, when I was still going through well, I was in a mastermind with a bunch of coaches, and we were all supporting each other and just I never thought I was gonna lead my corporate life. Like, that wasn't even in my radar. I was a single mom raising my children on my own. Right? And I had one daughter that was in a private college that was ridiculously expensive. The labeling of it was irresponsible. Right? If I did that. It was safe and secure for me to stay where I was even though I was really it was becoming very clear that I was miserable. My body, our body is our greatest messenger. And from about twenty sixteen, and I'm sure this was very, very grief-related, I started having all these warning signs. My hair was falling now. I had extreme insomnia. I thought for sure that I was gonna have a heart attack in my sleep and my children were gonna find me dead in the morning. Just all these terrible fears, Western medicine, is like your picture health. I am an avid exercise or eat really healthy, meditate, I all the things. And yet, what was I dismissing? What was I not paying attention to? So I think for me to answer your question in July of twenty eighteen, I wrote a contract I was at a conference with a bunch of my peer coaches. And I wrote a contract with myself of what it was gonna take for me to actually leave my corporate life. Like, I'd been ruminating on that all of twenty eighteen. Like, could I do this? Is this really what I want? Can I be free? Like, freedom has been my word since my divorce and peace, which is the signature of a manifestor, okay, has been something that I have been for lack of a better word victory chasing like, okay. What does that feel like? When am I gonna know when I have it? What's available to me when I do? And so I wrote this contract out, very logically very corporate intense. It's like these things must be true in order for me to leave. And my peer coaches just gave me a little, a little tap. I had them sign it as my witnesses. I was like, okay, I'm making this contract. These things must come true. And one by one over the course of the next six months, I just they were all limiting beliefs and I just let all of them go. One by one. Those were things I did not have to note that did not have to be true because they were limitations. What are limiting beliefs? They're beliefs that limit you. From the thing that you wanna be having, being, or doing. And so by December, it was just like, oh, yeah, I'm doing this. Actually, I was on vacation in November. And I said to another couple, well, I'm leaving my corporate life in January. That's the first time I'd set it out loud. Then I was like, oh, and very manifestor like Right? Say it out loud, and then it becomes your reality. And then by the time I did it on January second, it was a transaction. It was like it was already done. And so I think the aha was actually that contract witnessing my peers going, wow, she's still really holding herself back without saying those words. Right? Just being intuitive enough to witness their receipts of whatever I was trying to create for myself. And then doing the work to show myself. I didn't have to have all of these things in place because again, I was creating that safety and security which is not allowing yourself to really take the leap for what you want in your life. And I finally did.

Victoria Volk: I don't want to gloss over all of the losses that you just scribed before. And but I also wanna talk about this the idea of fear. So can we go back in time though to that divorce? And do you think that that was a catalyst for you to start coming into your own? Really?

Amy Douglas: Oh, my heavens. Yes. I used to make a joke. Like, it was and it's very, like, I hear it in bitterness now, but it's like, I take a vote and I always win. What I need to do for this and who gets to do that. And I used to say, but I'm like, how do you do it? How do you do everything on your own? I'm like, well, I figured out that once he left, the only thing he really did that I wasn't already capable of doing was put the Christmas tree in the Christmas tree stands and open the pickle jar. So I stopped buying pickles. That was easy. And every time I bought a Christmas tree here, I did that, I brought the Christmas tree stand to the Christmas tree farm and had them install it because I can. So it's just do you see, like, it was just like, did I have the avoidant attachment style. I have now I understand that I have that. And so it's like, I didn't need them anyway, type of energy. But it did really empower me to be like, okay, I now get to look at what I in those in those days, I was still saying what I need to do, what I should be doing, what I have to do. I don't use any of those words anymore. Need, should, and have to, are full of resistance. It's what I get to do. And it took me a couple years to get there, right? Because I was still really proving my open heart, proving to myself that I could do this. I didn't need him. I'm good, losing my best friend along with it was hard. That grief is real. It still stings. And just people through your most trusted people in your life gone in a flash and that image of what your life was. It was real. It was really beautiful life. And I remember sitting in the car with my kiddos, we were getting ready to go into a movie. Same year of the divorce. And it just was somber because we used to go to the movies as a divorce, and it was one of our favorite things to do. And I just presidential. I turned the car off. And before we went into the theater, I said, I'm aware there's only three of us in here. And yet, I'm so grateful that there's the three of us in here. So how can we make this the best that it can possibly be? And I think that was a real catalyst for all three of us to just be like, okay, we can grieve the loss and we still do. And yet, we can create something different. And that helped us crawl out of a lot. I think because we just prescient it. We were honest about what we were feeling. We kinda did this thing of what are we sitting in the car, staying in the car. So if you're mad about things or just it's okay. It's safe in the car. Safe in the car. And then it'll stay in the car when we get out. We don't have to take it with us, you know. We just tried to create some spaces that felt like we're not gonna be judged for how we're feeling. Right?

Victoria Volk: I love that. I love that idea. How old were your children at the time?

Amy Douglas: So they would have been Ten and twelve. Yeah. Nine and eleven, ten and twelve, those were some really really hard in eleven and thirteen because Yeah. Those were some really hard years. Yeah. I think, honestly, Victoria, My son just turned twenty three. He has had a major health journey this year. Oh, my goodness. And I think we are both. He's also an emotional manifestor like us. And I think he is allowing himself to grieve the loss of his childhood, Mhmm. And I'm so proud of him doing it now. And not waiting and carrying it all these years. He's like, maybe I should've waited a couple years, like, till I got out of college and I'm like, you. Happens when we're meant to, let's not let's not resist it.

Victoria Volk: And the best friend. I mean, I imagine too, like, in the relationship you had an extended, like, in your friendship with her, but in your marriage with your husband, you had not just those relationships, but you had circles of friends. Right? And so it's not just the husband and it's not just the best friend, it's the circle of friends, too. Like Mhmm. Was everything just gone and one fell swoop? Like,

Amy Douglas: Yes. Yes. Yes. And we were not from the town that we were in, that this happened, we were, transplants. And we hadn't been here long enough to really I mean, you know, three or four years just doesn't feel like long enough where, she and her husband were lifers. Well, now, ex husband were lifers and there was just a lot of scrutiny, a lot of harshness on myself and my children. And the sporting events that you would look forward to going to. Now we're just so isolating and dreadful. And praying the kids weren't treated differently, but both of them were. It was just terrible. It was because they had kids and their kids were the same age as our kids and the same gender and so in the same classes and

Victoria Volk: Oh my gosh.

Amy Douglas: A lot of finger-pointing, a lot of assumptions. And while I used to say I just grew really thick skin, I think it was just the epitome of learning that what other people thought about me were none of my business because what really mattered was what I thought about me. That's the only way I knew how to keep moving forward because I knew I was a good person. I knew that I was gonna come out of this. I knew my children were amazing. And yet, man, just a lot. I tried to get them to just like, you know what? We're just gonna travel. I'm gonna get a tutor. Run do our own lives, but, you know, too much change, just way too much change for everything. So

Victoria Volk: I'm glad you mentioned that because my next question was going to be, did you ever just consider, like, packing all your bags and just going somewhere else and starting over and making a fresh start and without all of these reminders. I mean, whether your husband passes away or whether you get a divorce or whether it's this scandal scandalous relationship that you're describing, where it's two couples, families are being torn apart. It can be very easy to just, again, like you said, add on more change in things. What like, to have the self-awareness about that, like, and to have really the courage and the strength, to stand up to it. Mhmm. I don't know a lot of people like you. I'm just gonna say that. I mean, I mean, I've been doing this podcast for four years and just knowing the nature of grief and the trauma that had probably on you and your life and your kids. Most people would have just ran the other way. I never think, what was it? You think that

Amy Douglas: My daughter, she's my oldest, and I put the house on the market. I didn't. It was a big house. We lived on a lot of acres. We had a horse farm because my daughter used to gloved ride horses, and it was gonna be a lot to just take care of and maintenance and expensive, etcetera. And she just begged. She just said, can we just not change this? And I said, okay. We won't change the physical location, but we are changing the energy of the inside, and we just changed so many things. I repainted everybody new furniture made rooms, different rooms just to create a totally so it wasn't like, oh, I remember sitting in here as a family. Right? I just It was like just giving ourselves a quote unquote facelift, just like, okay. If we can't move and create a new experience somewhere else, we're going to create a new one here for ourselves. And I'm like, or whatever color you want your room, whatever furniture you want. Like, if you had want bunk beds because you're done with this, let's just change it up. Let's change everything that we can and see what it feels like. Open g center, all three of us, so that felt really good for us. And I would have escaped in a heartbeat. And yet, I really needed to honor where they were. And when they came home and wounded by something that was said. We just I pressed it for him. I just let them talk about it and shared with them kinda what I just shared it's not really any of our business. And I know they chose to share what they were feeling, but they don't know us. And you're the one that gets to look in the mirror every day and lay your head on your pillow every night. So just choose how you want to feel about yourself and that little eye rubber your glue. Whatever bounces off me, sticks to you. Like hold that little childhood chant as best you can and don't be afraid to tell others if someone has wronged you because we're not here to take it all in and not get any support. I had them through, counseling if they needed it. I ended up with a life coach for my daughter. That's what really counseling just was hard. And they just wanted to keep repeating what you'd been going through, and she just wanted she's like, I don't wanna feel this anymore. I wanna look at where I am and look at where I'm going and that's what coaching offers. And it was so pivotal for her. I mean, she and my ex-husband were they were, like, two peas in a pod. So that was hard. She and I thought to be out the female in the We both wanted to raise my son and now we both celebrate that we both raised my son. But it was a big dynamic change in the house. It was a lot to adjust too. And while I did a lot of my own morning and grieving after they were at bed at night, I just didn't really want them to know that I was going through that for some reason. Now they have both their twenty three and twenty five and have both said to me, god, mom, why'd you make it look so easy? And now I wish I wouldn't have. But yet, I was doing the best I could with what I had new then. And now I'm honest and I share with them how dreadful it was. How unbelievably hard and I thought many mornings they would find me, in my bed, gone. And while I'm grateful for the ways that I have learned, I tell them all the time I raised you through a lot of my unresolved issues, unresolved traumas, unresolved grief, and I can help presence anything that you're feeling now, and there's nothing wrong with anything that you're feeling. And that feels really good to just be able to have we are the closest tight-knit threesome, and it's fun because my daughter marrying down my son. It's inevitable. And just like building that and deepening that, it's so fun to be a part of. But yet, there's nothing that's off limits that we talk about anything and everything. And I don't know that we would have victory if we would have stayed married. I think we would have lived in that paradigm that, okay, we're the adults and you're the kids, and I just let all of that go. Nope, we're all equals here. Everybody gets a voice. So thank goodness for that.

Victoria Volk: I had full body chills as you were sharing just about the, like, because what I heard what so many grievers do is they put on this armor to be strong for everybody around them. And so what I hear you saying is that you wished you would have dropped that armor in front of them. Mhmm. More.

Amy Douglas: And as I said, our body is our greatest messenger, grief is trapped in our body for sure. And I know that what was happening when my body was sending me louder and louder messages. And so finally, I started listening. I you know, before I just had the headphones on and the, like, the little of those things called the little blenders, you know, it's like, I gotta move forward. Everything's forward. Everything's forward, I've gotta show them, you know, I'll take on all their pain, so they don't have to feel it. You know? And that wasn't the answer either. But yet, at the time, it was the solution that felt most aligned until it didn't And then once I started doing my own work and sharing it with them, you can hear it in them, you know, my coaching, what was what was happening for me, I started embodying and then there's that ripple effect and my son just latched onto it like, Thank goodness. My daughter was a little more resistant. She's got a little more energy in her design than I do, and she's like, I know more than you, and they both do. Which is brilliant. My kids are my greatest teachers by far, but we were all open to hearing each other, giving each other the space to share who we were, what we were feeling And I'm grateful for that. And I'm grateful for the messages my body kept giving me. Otherwise, I would have kept up the facade that I'd built so well for myself, very intentionally because I didn't want anybody to think that there was anything wrong. I'm fine. Everything's fine. I'm always fine. I've had a friend tell me before. I never know if you're happy. I never know if you're sad. I never know if you're hurting. Because you just show up and you listen in such a beautiful way. And I remember thinking, I don't wanna do that anymore. I can be unapologetically me. That's just the language that I knew when I left my corporate life. That's that's what I was choosing.

Victoria Volk: Which brings me to a question of when do you feel like it's the manifestor type, and we'll get into the types maybe yet in this episode or maybe not. If not, we'll we're gonna do a part two, friends. We'll do a part two, and it'll be all about human design because I love that rabbit hole, but do you feel like for a manifestor specifically anyone listening as a manifestor type, which you can find on or can you find that out?

Amy Douglas: My body graph is probably the easiest one. So and you need to know your birth time, hour, and minute your birth location, city and state, country, whatever that is, and then obviously your date of birth. Most people know that one without question. But that time and the location could be a little tricky. So those are just three important things. You plug them in and butter bing, butter boom, it spits it out for you.

Victoria Volk: So if you find out you are a manifestor, my question is, do you feel like it's a manifestor thing that we really don't allow ourselves to be held. We really don't allow ourselves. Like, is it a manifestor thing? Do you see?

Amy Douglas: So much. So much. And we have what's referred to as a closed protective aura. So we're not easily read. We're very mysterious. So because we're not easily read and I had built a facade for myself that no one could see, I was impenetrable. Right? Like, unless I was sharing. And oftentimes now that I do understand that I am really, really meant to share my emotional experiences It helps others. That unlocked such as, like, wait. People wanna know this. People want to hear what I've been through. I thought that's what I did for others. It just And I think, our aura doesn't empower us to Like, we kind of we're, like, a little bit off the, you know, like, I'm not sure. A little standoffish. Is this safe? Do I wanna be a part of this? You know? Or oh my goodness, is this gonna be exhausting once I get in? We don't have the same level of energy as, seventy percent of our counterparts. So I think I'd always been juggling some of that, but just dismissing it, which is why my body got louder and louder, you know. A lot of adrenal fatigue, that's not uncommon at all with manifestors by any stretch. Not knowing when an up is enough. We do not have that sacral energy that our counterparts do. And so and then you combine that with my open heart, which is, again, lots of human design lingo, but you put those two together and we just we don't know enough is enough. And I sure didn't, I was just like, nope, I have to do this. I have to, that's just the way that and then I started softening and I was like, oh, no, I don't. And I love my life so much differently than I did before. I love myself differently before because if I woulda loved myself, I wouldn't have had to build a facade. Right?

Victoria Volk: Mhmm.

Amy Douglas: Because I wanted people to see me a certain way. And now I don't care what people see because I know who I am and the right people I will be attracted to and will attract back to me to them.

Victoria Volk: Do you feel like there is a period of time where you were looking back at all of your friendships and relationships with people on just thinking how not fake but not authentic. Because if you're not showing up, knowing who you are, knowing what you bring to the table, understanding what your desires and needs and wants are, you're showing up for whatever that person wants you to be. So there's no truth and honesty in that relationship.

Amy Douglas: Actually, I have put a lot of thought into this and a lot of my learning through design. So I have an undefined g center like you. And we're really we are chameleons and we're meant to's, I did have someone say to me once, cut your suit different with your corporate people. And then with your kiddos, you're so different. And then when you hang out with us, group, you're so different. We're meant to. We're meant to because we're trying those things on and then allowing ourselves to is this kind of like, which how do I wanna mold and what do I wanna do? So I'm grateful for the years. I allowed myself to do that. I think it felt right in the moment. I think there were things that I was craving that I thought that I could get with some of the connections I was in. And once I started doing my own growth journey that really started in twenty sixteen, I was realizing the toxicity in some of the choices once I was learning more about myself. But until then, I really do feel like my connections were genuine, but I don't know if they were for migrate or good. I think it was because, oh, they needed something from me. And I felt good about giving that. And while I still get to do that in relationship that I have, that's not what I'm most drawn to anymore. And a lot of my growth led to letting go of people in my life. And thankfully, I'm designed that it is relatively easy and comfortable for me, and I know it's not for the other, but it's not mine to carry. The longer I hold onto it, the more I'm resisting what's really meant for me. And that has become an easier and easier process for myself, especially learning my design, and the connections that I crave and desire, but I didn't realize how much I loved my own alone time. That's very, very common for manifestors too.

Victoria Volk: I very much do too. Mhmm. So what was the role of fear in all of that life experience as you were going through all of that. And can you speak to, like, fear in our human design just a little bit? In your human design and just.

Amy Douglas: Yeah. So a lot of the fear is housed in the spleen, which is one of the nine centers that builds the body graph of human design. I have a defined spleen as to you. And so what when we have something and I'm using that word defined, It just means that we have consistent access to the energy that's in that center. And the spleen is very instinctual, it's very primal. Right? The bears coming, I must run. Okay? Let's face it folks. We don't have a lot of bears chasing us anymore. But we still are wired to feel that fight or flight. And I think the only fear that I feel like I have connected to in my life. Like, last year, I was living in Florida, and hurricane in came. And I had no fear for it whatsoever. And I was sitting in the eye for hours and everything around me was completely destroyed. I never even lost power, I lost connection with the outside world because we lost wifi, which was devastating for my six-month pregnant daughter. And I wish I could take that back because she has an undefined spleen. So what that means for her, she doesn't have a consistent way to process that fear. And so it's like, fear of not enoughness, fear of rejection, fear of repeating past mistakes. There's a lot of that that's housed in that center where I don't feel a lot of that. I think my fear way back before I started my own journey was, what will everyone else think? And now I couldn't care less, or how am I gonna screw up my kids? That's the heaviest fear in the world. Is how can I make this easier for my children? Because they didn't ask for this. And I'm an adult and they're not emotionally mature enough to navigate this. Quite frankly, I wasn't even sure if I was. Because as you heard me say early on, I just buried it down. I'm a thirty five year recovering binge eater. They never knew I was doing that. Hell, my ex-husband never even knew, but I was a binge eater. Right? I know how to hide things. But what was I hiding from? Basically, myself. And so I am thankful I'm also in my profile, I'm three in human design. And so I am just like, hey, run out there and see how this works or not. And I have done that my whole life. And I don't have a lot of fear with like, when I moved to Florida, everybody was like, oh my god. You're leaving everything behind. I'm like, I know is it great? They're like, you don't know anybody. I'm like, nope. Do you even know where you're gonna live? Yes. I secured that online, like everybody else in the world, I have a lot of that energy about myself anyway, and I don't go into with, like, I think that contract with myself in July of twenty eighteen has helped a lot in my journaling of flushing out any limiting beliefs that somebody might label as fear. Mhmm. And I just don't I don't like fear and excitement or born in the same place in our body. It's our mind that labels it as such. And so I choose excitement. That's what I choose.

Victoria Volk: I love that. One thing we talked about before we started recording was because you have so much loss. This is where I'm, like, where do we start? Right? And I had my losses starting very early on in my life. I was a young child. And so I feel like I've gotten the worst part kind of over with. Hopefully, I mean, I pray that that's the case. Right? But before we start recording, we were talking about how we both share that. Thirty five, thirty six channel. It's that channel of emotional experiences. And I also have what did you say? I had the incarnation cross. There's I mean, we keep going too.

Amy Douglas: Yeah. You have thirty five in your cross. So that it's definitely a part of, you know and thirty five is more of that element of, like, desiring change and the thirty six part of it is that crises energy. It's like something chaotic. There's emotional turbulence in your life. And so then that kind of pushes you to the throat center of like, okay, what can I change? The biggest part of that wave, that abstract wave is what that thirty five, thirty six is referred to. It's very emotionally volatile, is our expectations. And think about what we have in the world of expectations. Right? Of others, of the world, of our own experiences, etcetera. And this piece of my design has been absolutely life-changing for me to connect with because I didn't realize how much chaos I was creating my own life by having these expectations out there. I cannot have expectations of others or anything that is outside of my air coating control because I want control in the highest vibration. Control is a core wound for manifestors. We don't wanna be controlled, and we don't wanna be controlling. And I've been on both sides of those that fence for sure. And so when I learned this about myself, it's like, oh, I can drop the expectations. Like, my partner would say something to me and I hung onto it like it was the law. We were doing this. Right? Like, oh my gosh. And then when we didn't because he'd forgotten he'd even said it, I'm like, I made it mean something about me. Like, I wasn't worthy, I wasn't deserving, and of course, or going back to that attachment. Well, I didn't need it anyway. Right, that avoidant attachment. I didn't want that anyway. And now, I just have a lot more clarity. And when he does have all these ideas and suggestions, It's just like a little fluffy cloud and I let it float on by and I don't hang on to it like the law. It's more of like wouldn't it be nice if? Type of energy, and then any expectations I have on myself, I really want to check-in on those. Am I being hard on myself again? Am I trying to prove something? I have nothing to prove. I'm enough exactly as I am. I have enough. I know enough. I am enough. And that has been a critical part of my journey. And then sharing that with others, like, especially if I see someone like you, Victoria, who has this wave. It's like, what are we expecting? And who are we expecting it of? And how can we allow ourselves to release a lot of that? Because then it will really, you know, that way it won't hit a way that it could if we have these expectations. And then just noticing that we're meant to share those experiences as well it really is a game changer for a lot of people. We're not meant to just harbor them ourselves at all. And that was that was something that I just I thought was unheard of. Why would anybody else wanna hear my trials and tribulations? Well, because it invites others to share those too, and that's how we move through these things. And we move grief and disappointment and disgust, all those things through us when we empower ourselves to talk about it.

Victoria Volk: And then you can weave in what kind of energy type you are. If you'd have the thirty five, thirty six. Yeah. So if you are a manifesting generator or a generator, like, go do some exercises, go work out, like, just do some high impact stuff, right, to get those emotions out. But as a manifestor, is it the same? Like, to do the same? Like, what's

Amy Douglas: So it really depends on the mechanics of your design. I have a defined route, and my route is connected to my spleen. And so that has me being someone who is really meant for movement, but any emotionality find your practice. Some people it might be meditation, just really quiet stillness. Right? Some people it might be really cathartic, like just especially as manifestors. I had my podcast co-host get me a damn it doll. You heard of those? 

Victoria Volk: No. 

Amy Douglas: Oh my gosh. So it's this little doll that's all fluffy and it's like I can use it to hit things. Right? Or throw things or I can act as if I'm gonna pull its legs off And at first, I was like, oh, that's so harsh, but it is so cathartic. Like, I invite clients to, like, get their anger out on pillows. And letting yourself move through it, throw access, like just move through it, you're be surprised, dance it out, shake it off, whatever that practice can be, there are symptoms based on your mechanics of how you might do that, that anybody that is feeling something emotional, find a way to let yourself let it out holding it in is literally the worst thing you can do for yourself. But yet, that's what I was taught Victoria. Like, nope. Suck that back in. Do not share that. And so then I stuffed it down. Stuffed it down. Stuffed it down.

Victoria Volk: And particularly as manifestors anger.

Amy Douglas: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Victoria Volk: Don't show your anger.

Amy Douglas: And this is my son who referenced, is an emotional manifestor. That's something he said to me recently. Thank you mom for letting me witness your anger. Because instead of, like, my daughter had a very sensitive head, and that was not the most patient person, manifestors typically aren't doing her hair in the morning before school, before I had to go to work, it's like all of these things. And then she, you know, they would hurt, and I have to go slower. And more than one brushes were broken. Thankfully, I never used it on her, but I would throw them or smack them down on the counter to get my anger out. And it is important that we let ourselves do that. And my son who has a lot of that anger, certainly at his age too, like things aren't going your way. Like, letting yourself let it out, fear of judgment or shame. There is no shame in those expressions. Let it out. It often has a great message. Right? We're misaligned with something.

Victoria Volk: For sure. And I think about too, like, in that thirty five, thirty six, what's been helpful for me is recognizing that when you were talking about expectations, like the grief that causes us, the self-suffering that we put ourselves through by, it's like, like you said, when someone says something you take as you take them at their word. Right? And so we can find ourselves in these situations where, well, this is how it's always been. It's always been this way. We've always we've always been this way. It's different now. You're different now. Is it a self-practice? Or is this something to communicate with the people in our lives Like, does the human design help us find the language to communicate this?

Amy Douglas: Yes.

Victoria Volk: These things?

Amy Douglas: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, a hundred percent. And again, going back to what the activations are in your design helps you share and empowers you to share your truth. And I think it's a you said, is it this or is it that? And I wanted to say yes. Yes and both. You have to find your own practice. Wow. I just said, have to. You get to find your own practice. Right? It is important that you find a way to connect that you feel that release. You and I, Victoria, we will feel peace with that release. Right? We also will find peace we're sharing it with others. It's important based on our mechanics. Our connection from where all those emotions are coming from, from go straight to the throat. They are meant to be expressed. But somebody else's mechanics in their design might look different, and so I can help invite them in the ways that they can allow and empower themselves to get through that too. But I do believe, especially in this instance for you and I, it's a hundred percent both. I don't think people are meant to just keep things in. That's not safe. And I don't care if it is an expression of like they do it in a journal or they they write a book or they have an audio file that they add to daily. I went in December of twenty two, so almost a year ago, I moved from doing a written handwritten journal to an audio app that I speak into. It transcribes it if I wanna see other words, but then I also get to listen to the emotionality of what I was feeling and experiencing. I was a very turbulent time of my life. I was thrust out of Florida where I was loving my life because my daughter was having a terrible pregnancy and I couldn't not be there with her. I knew I didn't want to go to Michigan in the winter. Are you kidding me? I didn't want anything to go north. Right? And yet I did. And it was very I was holding her and her fear and her concerns and the status of her health and all of those things. And if I wouldn't have created that practice for myself to let it out, journaling just felt like writing it down. I felt like I was filtering it. Felt like I was like, what if she found this? What if she came over and found what I was and in the audio file, it just felt safer trapped in my phone. I don't know. You find the practice that empowers you to let it out. That's what I'm offering.

Victoria Volk: I love that. And I think that's a brilliant place to and this recording today. But first, I wanna give you an opportunity. And you've shared so much, and I feel like I do feel like I've glossed over so much of your losses because it's a lot and I feel like each one of these could have their own episode. I mean, really, truthfully, I feel like I'm doing a disservice to you and your grief and to my listeners. I really do. Like, I feel like I'm shortchanging your story here. I'm giving emotional and I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I know why because I'm emotional, but it's so much. Yeah.

Amy Douglas: And yet, you give me the space to share. And this is what I'm meant to do. Right? This is what I'm meant to do. And I'm double-barreled, is what it's referred to.
So both of my emotional waves go from my solar plexus to my throat, our emotional center to our communication center, And so one kind of softens the other. And so the way that I feel called to share it is empowering for me. And it's like part of my deconditioning process because you gave me the space to share it. And if I don't sound emotional about it, it's because I've done the work to let myself say, it's okay. I've been through it. I've navigated it. And now I am meant to share it so others can have their space. And feel empowered and safe and almost given permission to do it for themselves as well. So I don't feel like it's been glossed over. At all. Mhmm. I felt like you've given me the space to share. And if it helps someone else, oh, that feels so delicious to me.

Victoria Volk: To me as well. So thank you for sharing that. And I want to give you an opportunity to share how people can the different ways people can work with you. And we've got, the holidays are coming up. It's we're still in October yet, but the holidays are coming up, and you'd shared briefly or recorded recording. One of your offerings is a great Christmas gift, so please share how people can work with you and where can they find you.

Amy Douglas: So the best place to go, I'm not a big social media person. It's not uncommon kind of in my manifestor world. But Amyadouglas.com is my website and that has and there's a page for all of my offerings. If you're curious about human design, the one that you're referencing Victoria is that little audio file. I do about a twenty five minute mini reading. It is full of deliciousness. It's like the first glance of everything I see about your design, and it's so fun to share. I have a lot of moms that give it to their kiddos. Also, by the way, it's so great for the moms to hear about their kiddos. Because we think how can they be mine.
We're so different. Hello? We're all different and we all choose. And it's so beautiful to witness seen a mom and a child understand each other without those that hierarchical position. Right? So you can see that I also weave human design into a lot of the ways that I support others in coaching. And those offerings are on there as well. I have digital courses. So, and you can connect with me on what I think that's probably just the best place. I will happily offer your listenership twenty five percent off of any reading. And I'll give you a coupon code if you want me to have the coupon code be the name of your podcast. Does that feel 

Victoria Volk: Yeah. Sure. 

Amy Douglas: Most recorded for you. So The Unleashed Heart will be the coupon code

Victoria Volk: or grieving voices.

Amy Douglas: Grieving voices. Okay. The Unleashed Heart is your website. Right?

Victoria Volk: Yep. Yep.

Amy Douglas: Okay. So the coupon code will be Grieving Voices which would afford any of your listeners twenty five percent off of my human design offerings. And happy to connect. I even have, like, a little thirty minute call if you just wanna chat about what might be best for you. You can sign up for something like that as well.

Victoria Volk: Thank you so much for your time today, and your strength and your courage have I just adore you. I've gained so much I mean, I respected you before, but just hearing all that you've gone through and experienced, I really, as a manifestor to a fellow manifestor, like, thank you. Thank you for sharing. We are small, but we are strong in mighty in numbers. So the world needs you and the world needs all of us to understand ourselves better because like you said, it's the ripple effects of that. And the work that we do within ourselves that changes the world. So Yeah. It's pretty

Amy Douglas: Beautifully said. Yes. Thank you, Victoria. It's been my absolute pleasure to be with you today.

Victoria Volk: And stay tuned for the part two to come out. We'll get that scheduled soon because I really am excited to dive deep into all things human design. So until then, remember, when you unleash your heart, you unleash your life. Much love.