One loss no mother ever wants to experience, and one most of us cannot even fathom, is the death of a child.
Danielle shares how she and her family navigated the most devastating loss of their lives. Danielle says that we are not meant to live this life alone, and through her grieving voice, you will hear just how important support was to her and her family. You will also learn of resources that helped her get through the darkest of days. And, if you know a griever, there are wonderful nuggets shared on how to support others, too.
Danielle found her way from dark to light, and if you need to hear a message of hope, this episode is it.
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If you or anyone you know is struggling with grief due to any of the 40+ losses, there are free resources available HERE.
If you'd like to share your grieving voice on the show or want to share your thoughts about an episode, please send an email to victoria@theunleashedheart.com.
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One loss no mother ever wants to experience, and one most of us cannot even fathom, is the death of a child.
Danielle shares how she and her family navigated the most devastating loss of their lives. Danielle says that we are not meant to live this life alone, and through her grieving voice, you will hear just how important support was to her and her family. You will also learn of resources that helped her get through the darkest of days. And, if you know a griever, there are wonderful nuggets shared on how to support others, too.
Danielle found her way from dark to light, and if you need to hear a message of hope, this episode is it.
Connect with Danielle:
Resources Mentioned:
______
If you or anyone you know is struggling with grief due to any of the 40+ losses, there are free resources available HERE.
If you'd like to share your grieving voice on the show or want to share your thoughts about an episode, please send an email to victoria@theunleashedheart.com.
Are you enjoying the podcast? Check out my bi-weekly newsletter, The Unleashed Letters.
______
WAYS TO SUPPORT THE SHOW:
This episode is sponsored by Do Grief Differently™️, my twelve-week, one-on-one, in-person/online program for grievers who have suffered any type of loss to feel better. Click here to learn new tools, grief education, and the only evidence-based method for moving beyond the pain of grief.
Would you like to join the mission of Grieving Voices in normalizing grief and supporting hurting hearts everywhere? Become a supporter of the show HERE.
Victoria Volk 0:55
Hey, thank you for joining us. This week, I have a special guest again, which I'm loving these interviews, I just really thrive on one on one connection with people. And so this has been really fun for me to do these interviews and to get to know people on a deeper level who I may have connected with online socially prior. But also to give them an opportunity to share a message that they have to share about their grief. And into especially those who are trying to build a community themselves around a certain mission, which I can resonate with. And one of those people trying to build a community around a mission is my guest today and her name is Danielle Duffey. And she is the creator of the mission mama podcast. So thank you for being here today for your time and energy. And for sharing your message today. How about you tell a little bit more about yourself.
Danielle Duffey 2:02
Thank you, Victoria for having me. I am absolutely honored to be here today. And to provide my insight on grief. It makes my heart happy and gives me joy. So yes, my name is Daniel Duffy and I'm a southern Minnesota farm wife here on our family farm. I'm an army veteran. We have four beautiful kiddos in SUDC parent as well.
Victoria Volk 2:30
And we share that connection which we're both in the Midwest, and we're both army veterans. And so who ra to all the veterans listening and tell us more about what su DC is in what is the mission behind the podcast and how how that came to be
Danielle Duffey 2:50
Yes, SUDC stands for sudden unexplained death of a child. So I've gone through many losses in my life, but the most impacted and devastating loss has been my 17 month old son Blake, who at 17 months passed away unexpectedly and asleep and so that foundation has been created out in New Jersey to support families grieving the loss of their child anywhere from 12 months to 18 years of age for unknown causes unexplained I mean we're talking natural causes for no apparent reason. So were unfortunately a part of this this tribe of families through this life experience I've created more recently the mission mama podcast. And the mission behind it is really to provide clarity, connection and confidence to not only fellow Mama's but you know, women alike that have maybe gone through any sort of trauma in their life, but also about all things motherhood, grief, some of my passions, Midwest travel adventures, you name it, but just in order to become a better version of of oneself. I'm creating that community as we speak and going through life with all these other Mama's and friends. To just find that clarity and confidence to get through.
Victoria Volk 4:25
First of all, usually, what we create is often out of our pain, and I want to acknowledge that I do not know what it is like to lose a child. So thank you for sharing that. And we'll dig more into that in the podcast today. But I think a lot of women mothers, we navigate life and especially kind of what I was my kids are older they're teen preteens and especially when they were young and diapers and all of that I still had this I viewed motherhood is like I was in the trenches like you feel Like you're in the trenches of motherhood mom veterans out there you can resonate with that term the trenches but but also the word mission right because it is our mission as mothers to provide safety comfort, a strong back for our children when they're vulnerable and to just ensure that they walk out of our homes at 18 hopefully maybe not. That's okay too resilient, right? emotionally resilient and able to tackle all of life's challenges what happens then? If you have a loss of hopes dreams and expectations for that child when you lose them and I don't know what that's like, but tell us about Blake
Danielle Duffey 5:44
Oh, obviously getting emotional here but it's it's good it's it's that purpose and that the why I am you know, getting up every single day. But you got to talk about that loved one and so he you know, being that he was 17 months old, he was so young, starting to show that bright personality talking you know, but he was he was so lovable to give hugs and I he was always an old soul It was very interesting we have an older daughter who at the time was two and a half they were very close in age and so he would always want to protect her and take care of her he had bright blue eyes blonde curly hair and it just he was just so lovable and just so fun and vibrant and loved tractors trucks all boy and so life felt you know life was good at that time we had a boy and a girl and that's that's kind of what our plan had been and it just all changed in an instant
Victoria Volk 6:49
I'm not even sure where to go from here.
Danielle Duffey 6:52
It's hard to fathom I mean literally it just it's just hard to fathom because especially again, grief is personal not saying there's just grief this losing a child is just a deep level like it's unimaginable on like it doesn't even pop in your mind we didn't have any warning we didn't have any there's no there's not that closure but I know that that may not have even changed the result if we had been breathing over a sickness or some sort of you know disease whatever but we just had absolutely no warning he was healthy and happy child
Victoria Volk 7:37
And you know how they say like your life changes in an instant even if you have that time to mourn or grieve like with an illness or something like that it's still in an instant it is but I can't imagine you you know your child goes to bed vibrant and alive and full of life and I cannot imagine and so I extend my mama arms to you and I wrap you in love and I hope that those listening to this send you all the mama love Juju here thank you and so I I can see where this foundation that you kind of that you briefly spoke about is a I don't I don't want to put words in your mouth is it like a deep seated passion now for you to spread the word on this? And is that part of mission mama as well.
Danielle Duffey 8:27
It's starting to become I think the first few years of this this grief was was very raw in you know in that survival mode. And you know, we had two more children after that we move all these big life changes. And so I felt like I was holding my breath for four years and I wasn't I wasn't able to even able to express my emotions. I suppress them for so long. I wasn't I didn't grow up talking about feelings, emotions. And so last year really started to manifest and pivot into this new transformation into the mission mama podcast and I'm still learning about what is able to provide me comfort what the SBDC foundation can provide that I knew all along they were able to provide, like this community of families, therapists, they have a retreat all these things but I wasn't ready and now I am ready to open up my heart and comfort anyone that I can and I can't even it's still I still question it. But again, I can't I can't live like that I can't live in so much sadness and despair when I have a family and want to be there in the present. Even if I'm hurting still so very bad. It's just I've become aware I can't I can't live in so much sadness when there are tools And resources and a podcast like you're providing to the community like it's, it's incredible truly you can you can move through grief and joy, they coexist.
Victoria Volk 10:11
That is actually the one message that the interviews that I've completed so far that is the one thing that I've connected the dots of what is said is that joy and sorrow are parallel experiences. And especially when it comes to grief and and just life it's writers not it's not one or the other. It's a and, and you can feel both in within seconds, and that's okay. But, you know, in the moment, you almost feel like it's something wrong with me. Am I going crazy? Like I just feel like, I'm just it's, it's like a continual roller coaster. I you know, I imagine for myself when I was it was kind of like this roller coaster over many years. But when it initially happens, an event takes place in the split second like that. It's I'm sure it's just literally minute to minute.
Danielle Duffey 11:11
Literally, I definitely, that that seems so fresh in my mind. But it has been for years, which is like, wow, where did Where did that time go? Yes, that specially that first year, when you're going through those firsts of what should have been very raw emotions. I mean, I cried multiple times a day, every single day, and even hearing you just say it's okay. I never heard that. Because people are so uncomfortable. And even your, your closest family and friends, they're, they're grieving in a different way. But they don't know. They don't know what you need. I don't I didn't know what I needed. I just I didn't need to hear that it was okay. I had met some mothers that had lost their children at some point previous and that there's one one gal she reached out of her way I didn't know her necessarily. And that was one comfort was the joy and sadness coexist. And she recommended me a book and it's called choose joy by Kay Warren, that I still read to this day. Because it provided it provided that that little comfort that i was i was i needed at the time,
Victoria Volk 12:37
Thank you for sharing that resource. And you bring up a good point and that you have friends and family who are also probably grieving that loss, but it's going to be different for every, every person involved and they don't know your grief. Right? Because that relationship is unique and individual and and yours. Yours Mom, you know, like you cared? Like there's there's really something special like, we are blessed in that way. Like we carry we carry 100 literally Yeah.
Danielle Duffey 13:10
My husband will admit I mean, the mom carry carried you know, we I carried him throughout my pregnancy and I laid him down for us now. But that's so special. It's it's on the other extreme right? I laid him down for his nap. And I have those memories so close to my heart. And I say one of the misconceptions or realizations that I became aware of is grief is love. And I struggled hard. But why wouldn't you write?
Victoria Volk 13:58
Exactly? Because you love and I'm curious to like a loss like that, where it's a child. Men grieve differently, too. And so do you mind speaking to how you did grieve differently and how you have navigated that aspect of your marriage and life?
Danielle Duffey 14:19
Yes, because that that's also a misconception that I know you had asked for prior to this and I've been reflecting on that. And so I think I know a lot of people in general we're taught to try to fix everything you know, any uncomfortable emotion especially grief is uncomfortable and so I remember very early on is we're navigating as parents through loss and then our My daughter is I think maybe it's it's man, I don't want to speak to all men. But But you know, there are experiences When I would I would break down or have just constant constant just terrible days and he would want to fix everything he would say he would walk away or distract himself and I'd be sitting there and I felt very discouraged and questions why aren't we in line with the same emotions the same thoughts what we do said everything How is he leaving the house today? Right? Even my daughter when she would cry we didn't know what to do I would my approach was it's okay I know I am so sad I cried today mo you know like where he was more trying to fix it his approach and we we allowed each other to feel what we needed to feel we've become stronger but that's that's where I just recognized now I knew I need to feel it out feel it out talk through it feel it I mean there were days I just sat there in the house alone and it hurts so bad. But looking back I'm I needed that at that time where now even years later I know how to I know how to get through those bad days with tools and talk to someone where maybe he hasn't dealt with it as much as I had early on that misconception is grief is personal in spouses 100% they don't deal with it I think my biggest suggestion is is to listen to each other just and not have Try not to set those expectations because that that really turns into maybe some just resentment or any just it builds up right so over time too I more recently started to talk to a therapist that wasn't a you know a family or close friend because it's not the same we I've just dealt with over time so much loss and it relates really built up that I finally was able to tell myself okay, I need to start reaching out further into this network of therapy. So
Victoria Volk 17:09
Yeah, and there's no absolutely nothing wrong with that. You know, I I've done another interview to where you know, it's somehow like we have this notion that because you have a therapist or you're going to therapy it's it's a negative it's a bad thing and you know, I I went to a doctor and the doctor wants to prescribe an antidepressant and I was like, I did try it but I'm like nope, this is not what I want. This is not what I need and and I had tried therapy and it's like, you got to find what sticks you got to find what works for you. But there are resources, there are tools there are options and there is hope. Yes, that's what that's what I hear in your message is even on the darkest of days. When you are allowing yourself to feel it which I feel is self care in and of itself. Self Care isn't always just going to get your nails done or you know some people roll their eyes at that like going to get your nails done but if it makes you feel good, that's self care. I don't know I i think self care the word itself or the phrases means different things to everybody but I think in grief, just allowing yourself the space to feel itself
Danielle Duffey 18:28
I started doing and I tell this to others is create a joy list because sometimes it's okay if you just breathe, I mean or get dressed. It's that's alright. But over time you can start to add anything throughout your day that does provide joy and so that has helped me even to this day of I'm just having a really crappy day I woke up negative whatever it it is. I know I need to sprinkle in some joy and it can be anything in your home. I can't leave the house a lot without my kiddos so I take a bath or I I light a candle. I meditate for a few minutes I wake up in the morning, really early and have my morning routine and that is been a saving grace for me.
Victoria Volk 19:18
I love that and I've found that for myself as well like in COVID and just the roller coaster that so many people are riding right now with everything going on in the world. I think just making time creating that time in your calendar even if it does mean you have to get up a little bit earlier. You know I'm not a morning person. I don't know if you are but
Danielle Duffey 19:41
I never used to be until last year having our latest daughter I knew I needed to change up and I started following Rachel Hollis and the start today journal has a gratitude practice that was really pivotal for me because I started doing it One day three days five days and it formed a habit after 30 days and I haven't stopped since and that gratitude just creates this abundance and openness in your heart and it's carried over in my life so the listener doesn't have that I would recommend starting
Victoria Volk 20:21
It brings awareness too to your body and to your breath to your mindset just even just the act the action of thinking about something to be grateful for and maybe not like grateful I had a great night's sleep and that's great you know, it might be something as simple as that but is it that you have a warm bed and the comfort and someone next to you that is supportive? You know, you can get a little deeper with it, you know, yes. So I love that tip too.
Danielle Duffey 20:49
Especially when life is or seems so unbearable you it just Yes, that awareness creates these blessings in front of you that you may have not seen before and it's survival truly
Victoria Volk 21:04
Well and it's shifting your perspective in a moment and probably in a moment that you really desperately need it right others might end up get we kind of get in a tailspin you know we start down that rabbit hole of negative thought processes and and thoughts and feelings and it just it it snowballs can snowball if we don't have an awareness around that and so although I don't know that we can gratitude ourselves out of grief but it is just another tool in the toolbox right? It is you know for those moments where we really might have to dig for something to be grateful for so thank you for sharing that what has been I want to speak to a little bit what was some of the unhelpful things that people unintentionally I do believe it's unintentional it's just you know what we kind of learn in since we're in diapers, but what are some of the things that people said or did that was hurtful or unhelpful in your during your time of loss?
Danielle Duffey 22:06
We've we've had nothing but strong support and love surrounding us but I think early on especially as those closest to me or even not not even closest to me if I was out in public they they would turn away and it it may seem so small but I haven't forgotten but it's it's not saying anything it's not acknowledging your loss for gosh sakes like it's it's your life I mean and so for those that I remember having you know dinner with one friend here and there and I was so I was suppressing my emotions and I wanted them to bring it up but we had never done and then I remember leaving and I was just devastated and so for I think the mess conception too is if I don't bring it up they're not going to be sad right? But it's the complete opposite and I think it's just what people didn't say for the majority we we had nothing but strong support I remember having a food train for the first year of our life of loss of losing bright lights that whole year every single week we had meals and that was so comforting. We didn't know it was company but it was such a small gesture that went a long way. But I think just again as I said that the unintentional but unhealthy things were what people didn't say or I guess for me that was that was mostly it. We've we've just had a really, I would say a healthy grieving process and strong support I don't I have the type of personality I've really never cared what anyone thought and I think that almost helped in the process because there were probably thoughts and assumptions with whatever we were the only one going through that we knew that there was nothing we could do to have prevent this. This is a this is a very rare circumstance but possible and so I guess that's that's kind of the gist of what I have to say. But um, I had heard of just so many other stories and families and that guilt that some carry, but we we had a strong support system.
Victoria Volk 24:25
Thank you for sharing that tip on the food train and a year that is amazing. That is amazing support. And the reason why I asked that question though, is because I want to bring an educational piece to how we can support Grievers. Even just when you know someone is grieving, just acknowledging their presence, you know, not turning away but acknowledging that you see them exactly that they don't have the plague that goes a long way like a smile and a wave. You know, you don't know what to say. Just smile and Blow a kiss or, you know, if you don't know what to say there's gestures to express support, right?
Danielle Duffey 25:07
I think one thing that I, one thing that I just thought of actually, and again, you don't know what you need. And it's not really a pet peeve at, you know, at the funeral and over time. So many people would say, please let me know what you need, please reach out, you can barely take a breath, you need to reach out to those grieving parents, you need to just send a message, just say I'm thinking about you. And that's one thing that I had in my notes is one thing that I provided me comfort was one of my good friends, she's she's just so good to me, she texts me or she would reach out every single week for a year. And let us know she's thinking of us. She would acknowledge those milestones, she would acknowledge Blake's birthday, she would acknowledge Mother's Day versus not. And so that meant, and it still means the world to me today. I that's what I have to say to that. And then one thing that popped in my head, too, as you asked that question was, I was a full time working mom. And I remember going back to work in the office Two weeks later, I don't even know how I got myself to leave the house. But my employer hadn't ever gone through something like that. And I didn't know what I needed. I the misconception, too, is Oh, so you're taking a lot of time off. And I'm thinking to do what, no, I need to have purpose I need to live I need to stay busy, almost be distracted. But I wish I would have taken more time to be with family to be with friends. Because as soon as the the kind of the funeral and the you know, the family leaves, you're alone, my suggestion is, is to work from home or just I mean, do what you know how to do do that next best thing, but I didn't need I should say time off right away, I needed more time throughout the year. But um, I didn't have any PTO. So I wasn't I didn't feel supported in that way. Just reflecting back, though. And again, I didn't know at that time,
Victoria Volk 27:27
Thank you for bringing that up. And actually, that's one aspect of you know, that is a blessing of being an entrepreneur is you have that flexibility. But if you do work for somebody else, we typically get, you know, three or four days of bereavement time I use that in quotation marks like, yes, you know, you get three or four days to get over your loss and come back to work and function as you always did. That is so unrealistic. And I do wish and hope that companies if you're CEO of a company, and you're listening to this, or you're an entrepreneur, and you have people working for you, and they are going through a difficult time or period to step up to the plate and support them in their loss, because they are not going to function the same way as they did before in grief. And you can speak to this speak to that your experience of Did you feel like you could concentrate focus, get through the day and be productive? Like Did you feel like you were even being productive?
Danielle Duffey 28:26
It's pretty much a fog. But no, I had recommended to my employer to start a PTO donation or you know where employees donate, we were a smaller company. So it wasn't possible. You just need to know that it's okay if you need to step away or just have that flexibility, know that just validate their emotions.
Victoria Volk 28:50
Absolutely. Grief actually costs our economy into the billions. I think it's $17 billion a year. And that's an old statistic, that grave causes companies and our economy and productivity and just loss of work and things like that, because that's why I just always say this, like grief is our pandemic, it always has been, it's this unspoken. It's just this unspoken thing that is an undercurrent of every single one of us, because we all endure loss of some sort, you know, loss of hopes, dreams, expectations, anything we wish would have been different, better or more, you know, that's in the context of relationships, usually, but we have these intangible losses, these ripples of our losses. Can you speak to those ripples of losses that you experienced? That you can I know I'm kind of putting you on the spot, but it does anything come to mind,
Danielle Duffey 29:45
Maybe some relationships. I think, again, I mentioned this past year after having two more children, not really having a time to take a breath. I'm a new self. We have a new life. So So it's grieving those intangible losses are relationships new jobs that come and go new passions Blake would be entering kindergarten and so there's there's that that I carry you really have to spend some time to have that quietness to really reflect on that but but it does unconsciously affect you so much
Victoria Volk 30:25
But you mentioned a lot of change to during that time it wasn't just the loss but then a lot of change that followed and you added two more children to your family dynamic and things like that. But like even just moving I don't know the circumstance of the move but even that like you're saying goodbye to maybe old neighbors or and I know you said you'd live now in the country.
Danielle Duffey 30:45
So we we actually only moved a quarter mile away, right? So we we live on the family farm, we swapped houses with my in laws and that are probably going to be listening to this. And I'll be honest, it was a lot right away. I was pregnant with our third child, our son, and it was a lot because so it was happening so fast. I really didn't have time to reflect, make any decisions. It was just all it was all overwhelming and confusing. However, I think it was the best thing. We've recreated a new life in this new home. It was I have faith. It was it was how it was meant to be over there at the old place. There are memories and yes, maybe early on it was it was sad because those were the memories. We spent a lot of time outdoors. That was our home. But now we've created our home. We've we've made it our own, we've planted a tree for Blake, we've made it our own as time passes it, it doesn't get better. It just gets different. And it's really hard to articulate that because we've endured so much change. But I can admit that it's it's the way it's supposed to be this was our plan all along. So I've become to accept with, with new life with new relationships, there's going to be loss, those intangible ways and also with growth. I'm a new person I've grown so much. And I never imagined talking about this at all, or let alone having my own podcast. So it's very interesting how life works,
Victoria Volk 32:37
I would have to agree that I've experienced exponential growth through loss. Another gal and I on podcast interview and just the one that went live last week Patsy, we kind of briefly touched on that, like, you know, the eye rolls of, there's gifts in grief. And one of those is growth. I feel you don't want to hear that though. When you're that's the last thing you want to hear probably when you're really experiencing knee deep in loss. But beautiful things can be on the other side.
Danielle Duffey 33:08
I can yes I can. I can relate to that. I had said before Life was good life felt good. I I felt like I was in the moment moment. I've always been an intuitive person, optimistic positive. And then most recently, I feel I feel more awake for whatever reason. It's It is a beautiful gift. And I can admit to that. I feel weak. And it's scary. Because you do question the good, but I've never been or felt so grateful in my life. I mean, my heart is exploding with gratitude.
Victoria Volk 33:46
I just got chill bumps. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. You shared a lot of tips today, connecting with others last, allowing yourself to feel like honoring your feelings and emotions. absolutely important. Not setting expectations, right on anyone else in their grief and how they grieve. And I'm sure even to like just the dynamics of the relationship kind of shift for a time until you recalibrate and you find your way back to each other. And I love to how you shared how to support a griever you've given a lot today through your story, and I appreciate you and I thank you for sharing. I just want to read this for everybody because I just I really love it. And this is in Danielle's words. I believe part of my purpose through the mission mama podcast and community to connect and provide clarity and confidence for those fellow mamas out there. We are not meant to live this life alone. And I think that is absolutely beautiful. We are not meant to live this life alone. And so if there's anything that you got today from Danielle's message, I sure hope and I believe wholeheartedly that you've, you've heard hope today. And that's to also my mission on this podcast is to share that there is hope. Is there anything else you would like to share?
Danielle Duffey 35:11
As you've alluded to, we're all going through some sort of loss or will in our life. And this morning, I was listening to a podcast by Emily Freeman. And it really sunk in and I so I want to speak to that as my one last thought. But in our world today, supposed to be no longer has a meaning. You know, we all know that to 2020 has really been out of our control to be in control is an illusion. So instead, we've had to adapt, accept and acknowledge what we need to let go and continue to just do the next best thing. And I think when to when that is, with your podcast, you're positively contributing to the world, especially right now. So many people are grieving and having these tools and resources and, and connections is incredible. So thank you for what you do as well. And I feel honored to be your guest today.
Victoria Volk 36:17
Thank you. And also too create a joy list.
Danielle Duffey 36:21
There you go.
Victoria Volk 36:23
There was a lot more I think we could have dug into, but I really feel like we covered a lot. And I feel like what the message that needed to be shared today is good. So I thank you for your message for sharing your grieving voice. And if people want to reach out to you if they want to hear more about the organization, SUDC, if they want to maybe be a part of your podcast, be a guest on your podcast, mission, Mama, where are the best places that people can reach out to you or find you?
Danielle Duffey 36:59
Absolutely. You can find the mission Mama. The best way to connect is on Instagram @themissionmama and I'd love for you to support or acknowledge that SUDC Foundation, you can contact me for more or you can go to sudc.org I'd love a shout out if you need support or comfort. Let's connect @themissionmama. And again my my heart is full. So thank you.
Victoria Volk 37:29
Thank you for being here. And I will put all of the links in the show notes. She shared a lot of great nuggets, books, the journal everything that Daniel mentioned I will put in the show notes thank you again. My mama heart goes out to you and many blessings for your family moving forward. And to all my dear listeners Thank you for listening for your time. I know it's precious, but this message I feel like needed to be heard. So thank you have a great rest of your day everyone. Bye. Much love from my heart to yours. Thank you for listening. If you liked this episode, please share it because Sharing is caring. And until next time, give and share compassion by being a hurt with yours. And if you're hurting know that what you're feeling is normal and natural. Much love my friend.